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Bridging the Gap (Stever Robbins)

  • Episode #70

With decades of experience and expertise in learning theory, Stever Robbins sees the “knowing-doing gap” as a major challenge in transformative course creation. He, Danny, and Abe discuss overcoming this with behavior-based instructional design.

Stever Robbins is a serial entrepreneur, productivity expert, author, and creator/host of the Get-It-Done Guy podcast, which ran from 2007–2020 and has been downloaded more than 36 million times.

In this episode, Danny, Abe, and Stever explore:

  • The false equation of knowledge and action
  • Using misdirection to overcome resistance and foster learning
  • Instructional design and engaging behavior among your students
  • Creating interaction in large-scale courses
  • Addressing student frustration with instructional “misdirection”
“[There] is an unbelievably pervasive theory of how people learn and how people change behavior, which is that if you tell people the learning, they will somehow magically be able to do the thing.”

Stever Robbins

Stever Robbins is a serial entrepreneur, top-10 iTunes podcaster, and productivity expert. He co-founded the early internet success story FTP Software, served as COO of Building Blocks Interactive, CEO of, and has been an initial team member of ten start-ups, including four IPOs and three acquisitions. He currently runs Get-It-Done Groups™, which help people make extreme progress on important projects and habits.

His experience developing organizational leaders began as co-designer of Harvard Business School’s “Leadership and Learning” curriculum redesign, and has gone on to include being an advisor and mentor to senior managers in several high-growth companies.

His Get-It-Done-Guy podcast spent weeks as #1 in the iTunes business category, years in the top 10, and was downloaded more than 36 million times. He has been interviewed in numerous publications including The Wall Street JournalNBC Nightly NewsThe New York TimesABC News Now, MSNBC, FOX News, BusinessWeek Online, and Investor’s Business Daily. Stever is the author of multiple books and holds an MBA from the Harvard Business School and a BS in Computer Sciences from MIT.

Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:
Stever’s website:

Hosts: Danny Iny and Abe Crystal
Producer: Cynthia Lamb
Executive Producer: Danny Iny
Assembled by: Geoff Govertsen
Audio Post Supervisors: Evan Miles and Christopher Martin
Audio Post Production: Post Office Sound
Music Soundscape: Chad Michael Snavely
Making our hosts sound great: Home Brew Audio

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Music credits: 
Track Title: Bossa BB
Artist Name: Marie
Writer Name: Chelsea McGough

Track Title: Coo Coos
Artist Name: Dresden, The Flamingo
Writer Name: Matthew Wigton

Track Title: Grace
Artist Name: Shimmer
Writer Name: Matthew Wigton

Track Title: Carousel Lights
Artist Name: Chelsea McGough
Writer Name: Chelsea McGough
Writer Name: Matthew Wigton

Special effects credits:
24990513_birds-chirping_by_promission used with permission of the author and under license by AudioJungle/Envato Market.


Course Lab

Ever wondered how online courses could be even better? What would that next level look like? Those are the questions driving online course experts Danny Iny (founder of Mirasee) and Abe Crystal (co-founder of Ruzuku) in Course Lab. In each episode, they bring on an innovative course creator and deconstruct what makes their course (and course business) work for them and their students.